i hate to say i told ya so…but…

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  1. alright, got a serious question for you .

    everybody and their aunt know knows the story about dave brubeck and duke ellington.
    brubeck felt that ellington should have been the face of jazz on the time cover.
    so he made it clear that it was a bittersweet honor.

    of course mack is in the same situation.
    black artist who has a real connection to the artform and the [racial] authority to carry the torch gets snubbed.
    white artist who has amazing talent, but no [racial] authority to be in his chosen artform is hailed as a king.

    question is:
    what should the macklemores and the brubecks of the world do?
    not make music?

    are you going to tell dave brubeck that he shouldn’t have made all his music (which, whether you like the way it sounds or not, has made a huge inpact over the last 50 years) and he should have stayed in bed?

    are you going to tell macklemore, who obviously feels very strongly about his art, and also recognizes his white privilege, (and lets admit it, grinds fucking hard) that he shouldn’t be allowed to make music because he has no racial authority?

    are you prepared to tell these clearly world-class artists that they don’t deserve any of their success because they have no [racial] authority? are you willing to tell them [not] to make music. are you able to sit in judgement of them?

    if you are, then that’s a little sad

    • it’s not about people like Macklemore NOT making music.

      it’s about if you DO make Black music and you’re not BLACK – and you are “hailed as a king” in the process, you need to DO SOMETHING FOR THE PEOPLE that created the artform / culture / genre.

      i’ve said it on this blog MULTIPLE TIMES in the past.

      it’s not as simple as just SAYING ‘White privilege exists’ – – – it’s about DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT…putting DOLLARS behind what you’re SAYING.

      until you put MONEY behind your WORDS, you ain’t SHIT, and don’t deserve ANY respect from the PEOPLE who’s artform you are PROFITING from.

  2. “…it’s about if you DO make Black music and you’re not BLACK…”

    what would be an example of “white” music?

    or is [all] music black because africa was the continent which played host to the final evolution into modern humans, and was certainly the home of the first music?

    if so, then you have created a world where only black people are permitted to make music.
    every other race would be banned

    • “you have created a world where only black people are permitted to make music”

      this blog is only focused on Hip-Hop…because THAT is my area of ‘expertise’.

      so when i say “Black music”, i’m referring to HIP-HOP first and foremost.

      • “…THAT is my area of ‘expertise’…”

        that doesn’t need quotes.
        the elements of a fyle formatz hip hop track convey expert in every sense of the word.

      • my tracks are supposed to be reminders of the SPIRIT more than anything…rough interpretations at best.

        but what’s spirit these days in a society of lost souls?

        A: a tin hat.

  3. i found something interesting doing a little research.

    from 1982 until 1990, billboard had a [black music] chart.
    literally.

    would it be easier if they just brought it back?
    can you imagine a “black music” chart in 2014?

    much has changed in the past twenty four years.

    we press play, don’t press pause.

    • “would it be easier if they just brought it back?”

      would WHAT be “easier”?

      “can you imagine a “black music” chart in 2014?”

      no. Because a Black music chart these days would basically just be a “Black music FOR White people” chart…or…’Hip-POP’ chart.

      • “what would be an example of “white” music?”

        THE HEIST is a pretty good example, wouldn’t you say?

      • “discouraging white artists from making black music.”

        check it.

        i HONESTLY don’t have an inherent / automatic PROBLEM with White artists making Black music –

        BUT

        i DO have a an inherent / automatic PROBLEM with White artists making Black music WHEN they do it in a ‘tongue-in-cheek’ fashion.

        when they do it because they feel like it’s ‘WHO THEY ARE’ or ‘PART OF WHO THEY ARE’ or something they ‘LOVE’

        NO.

        NONE OF THE ABOVE APPLIES when you DO THE ART or claim to be part of the CULTURE – – – BUT – – – YOU DO NOTHING for the PEOPLE of the culture.

        that’s THEFT…cultural AND artistic THEFT.

        if you don’t fight FOR the people – if you don’t SUPPORT the people – you are just a culture vulture.

        this goes WAY back to the Beastie Boys…way back to Elvis…this is NOTHING NEW.

        and Black people by and large respect NEITHER of the aforementioned ‘artists’ for the (basically) EXACT reasons i’m pointing out here.

      • “…i HONESTLY don’t have an inherent / automatic PROBLEM with White artists making Black music…”

        this just seems insincere or overly generous, considering the thousands of words spilled about eminem and macklemore.

      • “this just seems insincere or overly generous, considering the thousands of words spilled about eminem and macklemore.”

        thousands of words? yes.

        but only two artists in my sights.

        i’d say that’s extremely reasonable AND conservative – especially in light of the amount of cultural DAMAGE that is taking place.

        and i DO want to say this regarding HIP-HOP:

        if it’s good for White people, then it’s bad for Black people.

        again; STRICTLY speaking from within a CULTURAL context.

        NOBODY can tell me that White people have ADDED more to Hip-Hop than they have TAKEN from Hip-Hop over the decades.

        …and that’s basically the entire reason why this blog is in existence…

    • i just feel like White people are so stuck on themselves that they ruin shit for everybody else.

      in other words, as long as they feel that they are having a grand time, nobody else matters…and this is what the Hip-Hop record books (stats) are reflecting (among other things)

      if i HONESTLY thought that society and White people in general were FAIR, RESPECTFUL, and equitable people, i wouldn’t even be saying all this shit month after fukcing month.

      i guess i would just like to see White people do a lot better from a HUMAN perspective; – – – but i’m not holding my breath.

      • …and it goes without saying that i would ALSO like to see Black people do a lot better, too.

        this isn’t about any type of ‘holier-than-thou’ mantra…it’s about FAIR TREATMENT.

  4. then why can’t white rap and black rap and asian and hispanic (and hundreds more ethnic groups) exist under one category of music called hip hop?

    all of them in agreement, by the way, that hip hop was originated from black culture in new york, and that for many years, the artform was almost exclusively black.

    the credit is not disappearing at all.
    if anything, to see [every] culture in the [world] copying the art of black new yorkers is astounding.

    it is a victory to see massive imitation of your art, not a defeat.

    • “then why can’t white rap and black rap and asian and hispanic (and hundreds more ethnic groups) exist under one category of music called hip hop?”

      because DOUBLE-STANDARDS get introduced when White people get introduced.

      Black records get TOPPLED when White rap lands on Hip-Hop.

    • “it is a victory to see massive imitation of your art, not a defeat.”

      it becomes a DEFEAT when White people do the same art, and take it TO THE FUKCING MOON AND BACK while Black artists on (or above) the same talent-level can barely even get their shit off the ground.

      IT’S AN INSULT.

      as long as we live in a Euro-centric society, the Hip-Hop ‘books’ will remain getting cooked by ‘hot’ White artists…this is just the nature of the beast, my dear friend.

      but i don’t think that Black people should just sit around and be NONCOMMITTAL about it.

    • “the credit is not disappearing at all.”

      i don’t know about that, man…

      i feel like the credit that White artists get in comparison to Black artists make the shit bad for everyone.

      it DILUTES what’s REAL.

      the INTEGRITY of the art is compromised when White artists come in and shatter all kinds of shit left and right, man.

      White people come in and create their own parallel universe with this shit…they enter and basically write up a new constitution on someone else’s creation.

      it’s just foul.

      and THEY know the whole time what’s going on…but the Blacks outside of the know think that they are still on the same playing field…and they are NOT.

      • “the credit is not disappearing at all.”

        “i don’t know about that, man…

        i feel like the credit that White artists get in comparison to Black artists make the shit bad for everyone…”

        a: show me someone who says white people originated hip hop.

        b: remember the list of the top 20 selling rappers of all time. all but one are black. the argument that because the white artist is on top it invalidates the other 19 (remember that) is still invalid.

        hip hop started out [black] in every telling of the story. in every history book. in every conversation.
        however, it will not remain that way forever.

        time to let the art that black americans created become a bigger and new medium of communication, leading to even further permutations.

        you can’t hold on to quicksilver. otherwise you’re trying to eat a naked lunch, and no-one wants that.
        trust me.

      • “the argument that because the white artist is on top it invalidates the other 19 (remember that) is still invalid.”

        and that is where we will have to agree to disagree.

        a White artist on top makes the list’s credibility laughable.

      • “time to let the art that black americans created become a bigger and new medium of communication, leading to even further permutations.”

        DILUTING the art is NOT the answer.

        …here’s a thought…

        if only White people would stay in there lane instead of always having to takeover everybody else’s shit and call it PROGRESS.

    • “it is a victory to see massive imitation of your art, not a defeat.”

      not when the top seller is an imitator of your art.

      not when imitators are performing at NFL halftimes.

      but it is what it is.

      the only reason why this is even an ISSUE is because it UNDERSCORES the rampant racial divide that is ALIVE AND WELL in this country.

      and sure…people can say “PROGRESS” all damn day…but is a White artist outselling you at your own shit PROGRESS?

      or is that REGRESS?

    • “then why can’t white rap and black rap and asian and hispanic (and hundreds more ethnic groups) exist under one category of music called hip hop?”

      even Asian and Hispanic Hip-Hop artists get left in the dust when a White one comes along…it’s just corny, man…seriously.

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