white-rap asset? – or – white-rap liability?

thinkingman

have White rappers BROUGHT more to Hip-Hop than they’ve TAKEN from Hip-Hop???

i mean really…in how which ways have White rappers IMPROVED Hip-Hop?

what exactly have they added TO Hip-Hop?

are we REALLY calling EMULATION, COPYING, and swagger-jacking DIVERSITY now? really?!!?

i’m just trying to figure out what SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS that White rappers have made to Hip-Hop; because when i ponder the question, it seems like they’ve TAKEN more than they have GIVEN.

and is that DEBATABLE?

(i’d like to see a NON-WHITE person argue THAT.)

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27 thoughts on “white-rap asset? – or – white-rap liability?

  1. well, if you were gracious enough to accept the fact that all white rappers can’t be lumped into a giant puddle of chicken-fried-steak gravy, then you could get much further with these questions.

    to think that all white rappers share one common message and inspiration is flat out ignorant and worthy of jeers.

    i don’t really defend white rappers.
    you have seen it here.

    but i do defend mack and maybe a few others.

    99% of white rap is pretty damn lame, but yes, there is a 1% that has already broken through.
    and it started in the 80’s.

      • “defend” Macklemore from WHAT? from WHO?

        from charges of theft that have been leveled against him here (from you) every week.

        and WHY?

        because, as i have pointed out, mack is not a lazy usurper using rap stereotypes to build himself up.

        he avoided stereotypes to get ahead, not exploited them.

      • “broken through” to WHO? to Black people?

        broken through the perhaps not-so-invisible color line in hip hop, to stand out as artists who made a contribution without just swagger jacking the rest of hip hop.

        it should be the stereotypes that are the enemy, not the whiterappers

  2. “from charges of theft that have been leveled against him here (from you) every week”

    defending MACKLEMORE is akin to defending ZIMMERMAN…F.Y.I.

      • maybe not EXACTLY…but FUNDAMENTALLY, sure.

        they both ruin the lives of Black youth…one just does in DIRECTLY (literally) and the other does it INDIRECTLY (figuratively).

        i just WITH that you could (for once) look at this whole MACKLEMORE / WHITE-RAP issue from an AFROCENTRIC viewpoint.

        because when i look at it from a EUROCENTRIC viewpoint, all i see is a ‘trendy MOCKERY’ that Black people are supposed to ACCEPT and TREAT AS THEIR OWN.

  3. “mack is not a lazy usurper using rap stereotypes to build himself up. he avoided stereotypes to get ahead, not exploited them.”

    i never argued that Macklemore was using STEREOTYPES…that was never my position.

    my position is that

    1. he’s PROFITING from a CULTURE that is NOT originally or inherently his own

    2. not giving BACK to the PEOPLE of that culture in any SIGNIFICANT / MEASURABLE manner

    and

    3. he does more DAMAGE to the FUTURE of Hip-Hop than GOOD…meaning that…the young Black YOUTH see his SUCCESS in relation to his SKILL; and subliminally learn that it’s more about RACE than it is MUSIC…in which their personal self-worth suffers

    WHENEVER there is a White SUPERSTAR / MEGASTAR in a Black genre, the genre SUFFERS…and slowly DIES; for all intents and purposes.

    so it’s less about STEREOTYPES and more about being a CULTURE VULTURE / CULTURE THEFT “to get ahead”.

    • but in the real universe, like his cover story interview with rolling stone, he admits what you are asserting, just as he has for his entire career.

      here are his own words:

      “If you’re going to be a white dude and do this shit, I think you have to take some level of accountability,” Haggerty says. “You have to acknowledge where the art came from, where it is today, how you’re benefiting from it. At the very least, just bringing up those points and acknowledging that, yes, I understand my privilege, I understand how it works for me in society, and how it works for me in 2013 with the success that The Heist has had.”

      “We made a great album,” he continues, “but I do think we have benefited from being white and the media grabbing on to something. A song like ‘Thrift Shop’ was safe enough for the kids. It was like, ‘This is music that my mom likes and that I can like as a teenager,’ and even though I’m cussing my ass off in the song, the fact that I’m a white guy, parents feel safe. They let their six-year-olds listen to it. I mean it’s just…it’s different. And would that success have been the same if I would have been a black dude? I think the answer is no.”

      • “here are his own words:”

        i’ll read the complete article / interview and share my thoughts in the near future.

      • “he admits what you are asserting, just as he has for his entire career.”

        half-assedly, sure.

        he leaves out the DAMAGE (liability) part…but like i said, i’ll address that after i read the article.

  4. ” stand out as artists who made a contribution without just swagger jacking the rest of hip hop.”

    NOT TRUE.

    dude is 33% GIMMICK, 33% CULTURE THIEF, and 33% WHITE (not in that order) and you get 99% FRAUD.

    just being WHITE doesn’t mean that you made a “CONTRIBUTION”…it doesn’t work like that.

  5. “The Black Arts Movement was inspired by the civil rights movement”…and the fact of the matter is that people like MACKLEMORE only ‘SUPPORT’ when they can EXPLOIT.

    • 1. he confronted the gay prejudice in hip hop head on, and challenged all hip hop listeners to consider their own biases and stereotypes about gays.

      2. he bypassed the entire industry as he got close to the top, and never signed to the servitude of a major label like def jam or interscope.

      3. he brought disco rap together with more modern styles of trap and goon etcetera, combining the innocence of tribe era with the jaded experience of cocaine [grindin] rap.

      mack and ryan aren’t the only ones to make these kinds of moves, many other artists are doing it harder and more effectively. many other artists are more honest and raw.

      but i would argue that yes, he has already made several unique advancements…

      • “1. he confronted the gay prejudice in hip hop head on, and challenged all hip hop listeners to consider their own biases and stereotypes about gays.”

        SERIOUSLY…is it even a White person’s RIGHT to do that in a CULTURE that is not their own ORIGINAL culture?

        to claim someone else’s culture and then go AGAINST the general consensus of that culture? and that’s a CONTRIBUTION? no…that’s ARROGANCE.

      • “…go AGAINST the general consensus of that culture…”

        homophobia in rap is like steroids in baseball, some of the players who were juicing wish dearly that they could still share that part of their culture without people telling them what’s right or wrong.

        and who are the authorities in baseball to tell these anabolic frankensteins that what they are doing is wrong? steroids are the [general consensus] of pro baseball.

        and what about to catch a predator?
        on that show he catches pedophiles who probably wouldn’t want outsiders meddling with their culture.
        in their world, having sex with kids is the [general consensus] more or less.

        do you really think that toxic cultures shouldn’t be extinguished?

        homophobia in rap isn’t the same as steroids or pedophiles, but to say that sub-cultures are responsible enough to regulate themselves is just ignorant.

      • “homophobia in rap isn’t the same as steroids or pedophiles, but to say that sub-cultures are responsible enough to regulate themselves is just ignorant.”

        okay.

        so Black people (HIP-HOP CULTURE) need a White person (MACKLEMORE) to show them the light? oh yeah…why do i always forget that THAT’S the White culture’s GENERAL CONSENSUS? lead the darkies to greener pastures…i.e., TRANS-ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE…thanks, but NO THANKS. we’ve had about enough of Whities’ cultural ‘suggestions’.

      • okay, that was wildly misinterpreted.

        the point stands that the [white savior] myth is ****ed up.
        totally agreed.

        all mack is doing with same love is opening up a subject that cats in hip hop didn’t want to talk about it.
        it’s only one song on the album, but it hit people hard.

        his other tracks obviously deal with different issues.
        so, is he the [white savior] coming into black people’s field of vision regarding getting ripped off for wearing gucci? no. he simply puts it out there for anyone to hear. it’s not anti-black, it’s anti-materialism. that should be clear.

        it’s not always about race.
        thrift shop is corny but hip hop really has a problem with this prada fendi bull****.

        why would hip hop still be talking about that shit…?

      • “why would hip hop still be talking about that shit…?”

        BECAUSE THIS SHIT IS DEAD…that’s why.

        and all keeping White people at BAY does for Hip-Hop is allow it a RESPECTFUL burial.

  6. “2. he bypassed the entire industry as he got close to the top, and never signed to the servitude of a major label like def jam or interscope.”

    that’s not really a CONTRIBUTION…he BASICALLY just showed everybody BLACK in Hip-Hop that when you’re White, the ‘rules’ don’t apply to you.

    • kendrick could have done it too…

      many black rappers have approached from the outside.
      e-40 built an empire selling tapes, so did too short.
      the pre-internet era.

      i would expect more artists of all races to ignore the system and go straight to the fans as hip-hop moves forward…

      • “i would expect more artists of all races to ignore the system and go straight to the fans as hip-hop moves forward…”

        …again, Hip-Hop is NOT moving “forward”.

        Hip-Hop can’t move forward INDEPENDENTLY of Black people moving forward.

      • if hip hop is limited to only black people, and no one else is allowed, then yes, hip hop will never move forward…

        jay z is using it to talk about how rich he is.
        kanye is using it to talk about how many bitches he could fuck.
        lil wayne is using it to talk about how rich he is.
        drake is using it to talk about how many bitches he could fuck.

        the current system is broken, but closing doors and windows and hiding under the bed won’t change it.

        letting new flavors in might be a good thing…

      • “if hip hop is limited to only black people, and no one else is allowed, then yes, hip hop will never move forward…”

        it’s not about not being ALLOWED…it’s about PLAYING YOUR POSITION…and White people don’t know how to do that.

        they just gotta get all up in someone else’s shit, TAKE OVER, and start calling all the shots from there…it’s corny…

        and when we wanna PREVENT our lands & cultures from being CO-OPTED and DILUTED, White folks wanna play the VICTIM…this shit is CRAZY…and just watching it unfold TIME and TIME again is disgusting.

  7. “3. he brought disco rap together with more modern styles of trap and goon etcetera, combining the innocence of tribe era with the jaded experience of cocaine [grindin] rap.”

    lemme rephrase that for you:

    he brought WHITE-RAP together with more modern styles of POP and FOLK ectetera, combining the ‘innocence’ of a White face with the jaded experience of Black PAIN and SUFFERING music.

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