WHITE RAP AIN’T HIP-HOP

and the reason WHY is: WHITE RAP DOES’T REFLECT THE CHALLENGES, DAY-TO-DAY LIFE, or the PAST / PRESENT / FUTURE (etc.) of Black people in the United States of America (or anywhere else for that matter)

some of ya’ll don’t understand that with the DILUTION of Hip-Hop came the DEATH of Hip-Hop; can’t have it both ways; diluted and dead are part and parcel.

– – –

P.S.

what can a White person tell you about being Black?

EXACTLY MY POINT.

therefore – White rap ain’t Hip-Hop

don’t act like you can relate to me when only YOU can relate, and not your RACE as a fukcing WHOLE.

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19 thoughts on “WHITE RAP AIN’T HIP-HOP

    • Hispanics (i.e., Puerto Ricans) were there (with Blacks) back when Hip-Hop was born; back when White people were calling it “JUNGLE MUSIC”.

      Hispanics have a similar struggle to Blacks; same with Native Americans.

      White people all too conveniently forget the squalor living conditions that Blacks and Hispanics were living in (which were / ARE facilitated by Whites) back when Hip-Hop came to Earth…and then when a phoenix arose from the ashes of destitution, Whites (again) conveniently wanna act like race has nothing to do with the CULTURE – just forget about why you were in the ghettos in the first place and let us join your (and later dilute / take over) culture known as Hip-Hop – – – higher infinite power HEALING OUR PEOPLE.

  1. if hip hop was only about struggle, then i would be more inclined to go along with this particular point.

    how much struggle is there in baby got back?
    how relevant to 1970’s new york black living conditions is tyga?
    how much can we glean about racism is some crappy electronic will.i.am song with britney spears?

    the black artists now and in the past have used hip-hop for many purposes, including identifying and journaling the struggles of black poverty.
    but to call that the [only] reason hip hop is here is to miss the larger picture.

    hip-hop was (at least for people like afrika bam) all about unity.
    and he was playing some lily white german kraftwerk up in the mix to get the party started.

    hip hop has never been 100% truly segregated, thank god.
    and it will never be segregated completely.
    yes, a majority of real hip hop culture is related to black artists…
    of course.
    but your boy salty o’swirl, the white s.o.s. morse-code-in-the-goodwill rapper still exists and it is undeniably hip hop.

    all whiterap® is not hip-hop® but the concept is not illogical.

    hip-hop® is more than strictly black®

  2. “but to call that the [only] reason hip hop is here is to miss the larger picture.”

    i’m not calling that the only reason. i’m just speaking on Hip-Hop’s inception and where Hispanics fit into that picture.

  3. “hip hop has never been 100% truly segregated, thank god.”

    right.

    because Black people as a whole are not racists or segregationists by nature – PARTLY due to our DAILY sufferings from such.

    HOWEVER

    White people have exploited Hip-Hop’s ‘non-segregationist” attitude and have risen to fame and fortune in Hip-Hop and haven’t even HONESTLY addressed WHY they’re doing so well in a Black art / culture – OR replaced the water from the well from which it was drawn from.

    and if Hip-Hop WOULD have chosen to be more racially conscious, a WHITE RAPPER wouldn’t be the BEST SELLING RAPPER OF ALL TIME.

    if you ask me – THAT should have NEVER happened.

    • “…and if Hip-Hop WOULD have chosen to be more racially conscious, a WHITE RAPPER wouldn’t be the BEST SELLING RAPPER OF ALL TIME…”

      if he is not hip hop then he is relieved of his conquest.
      take the crown off his head.

      if white rappers and black rappers are not performing the same activity, then you can restore the rightful honor to pac or jay z.
      eminem is then just a rock and roller who got off the wrong elevator.

      • “if white rappers and black rappers are not performing the same activity”

        same activity, different capacities.

        same activity, different demographics.

        same activity, different histories.

        …this isn’t a new issue, either…it can be argued that White artists have been stealing from Black artists for DECADES; spanning MULTIPLE genres…taking Black music, and REPACKAGING IT (or TRANSFORMING IT) for a White audience.

  4. “whiterap®”

    i’m not saying that whiterap has NO PLACE in Hip-Hop

    BUT

    i am saying that it shouldn’t be absorbed, recognized, or categorized as ‘regular’ Hip-Hop – because it’s NOT.

    there’s some serious reversals going on in Hip-Hop today – and without QUALITY CONTROL, Hip-Hop is going to spiral further out of control.

    but you already know my stance on Hip-Hop.

    at this point, i think Black people need to GIVE HIP-HOP AWAY / LET IT GO because Hip-Hop has been too POLLUTED and / or DILUTED to have ANY significant POSITIVE impact to the people whom which it was originally made for.

    in other words

    ‘modern’ Hip-Hop is equally as bad for Black people as whiterap®; and i don’t think it’s fair that listeners have to PICK THEIR POISON.

  5. agree that hip hop is polluted.
    and trying to find the way out.

    i just see a transformation rather than a beginning/end thing happening…

  6. “i just see a transformation rather than a beginning/end thing happening…”

    honestly?

    that’s one way to look at it, sure.

    but like i said, when that “transformation” gets too far away from the original intent, problems arise, lines become blurred, and chaos ensues due to lack of law and order.

    …when shit goes all over the place with no guidance or guidelines; that’s a problem…which goes back to the original term WACK – when shit is all over the place without substance, quality, precision, and knowledge, it becomes WACK.

  7. but even though the comparison is inexact, the case of augusta is key.
    let me give it one more try.

    at agusta the black golfers may have a different style than the white golfers.
    still the management agreed in 1990 to integrate the club, knowing that the style of the club would be transformed (and probably in the eyes of many members totally and irretrievably destroyed) instantly.
    but is a golf swing by a black golfer really any different than that of a white golfer in terms of results?
    the ball still flies up in the air toward the hole.
    and all the racists who said golf was a white man’s game had to accept it.

    If a white rapper makes a song that sounds different than the style of black hip hop, what logical reason could possibly justify excluding it?
    because it is diluting the purity of the culture? but that doesn’t serve any function in the real world.
    the song still has a beat and someone rapping.
    and all the racists who said hip hop was a black man’s game have to accept it.
    they don’t have to embrace it.
    but they do have to accept that it is hip hop…

  8. “but they do have to accept that it is hip hop…”

    it ain’t Hip-Hop…it’s an empty SHELL of Hip-Hop.

    it’s lacking SOUL, it’s lacking ESSENCE, it’s lacking SUBSTANCE.

    “If a white rapper makes a song that sounds different than the style of black hip hop, what logical reason could possibly justify excluding it?”

    see; and that’s the thing.

    WHITERAP doesn’t just SOUND different; it FEELS different.

    it’s kind of like this:

    it’s like putting a key that FITS into a lock, but that key doesn’t OPEN the door – that’s the best way i can put it.

    “because it is diluting the purity of the culture? but that doesn’t serve any function in the real world.”

    that’s the problem.

    the “real world” dichotomy is killing Black people left and right…i mean, this country was ‘founded’ on “real world” philosophies & ideologies.

  9. “it’s like putting a key that FITS into a lock, but that key doesn’t OPEN the door – that’s the best way i can put it.”

    this is one of the most awesome and diabolical metaphors haywire has ever produced.

    of course hip hop is a historically black culture.
    but because it is so magnetic, white people have always been drawn to it.

    there have always been a few white musicians who got close to acceptance or trying to understand the culture.
    and on the flip, there have always been fake white rappers who stole the spotlight from the real ones.

    during this time black hip hop faced the same quandary, but the fake black rappers were harder to kick out of the club. their skin gave them membership.

    it was easier to say look at vanilla ice he’s so fake.
    it was harder to say that about mc hammer.
    hammer’s real, he’s just more flashy, they might say.

    so there have always been dual paths.
    wack black rappers and true black rappers.
    wack white rappers and true white rappers.

    (now wait, you tell me, where have all the real white rappers been hiding?
    the ones who talk about black issues of interest or the same ten things.
    more on that later.)

    but now we have to remember.
    some people like red, some people like green, etc.
    there wasn’t full agreement over which artists were capturing the truest essence of the culture.
    just like the first four categories in the list from feb 12 (emcee gangster battle and lyricist)
    the fans didn’t exactly agree which topics were the most important to be able to fit into a hip hop codex.
    which one of these four was keeping it real?

    (that’s where the real white rappers come in.)
    at some point the disparate topics of hip hop branched out enough that there were entire categories of hip hop that had nothing to do with struggle or poverty.

    there was wordplay like de la that wasn’t about poverty.
    there was bling like special ed bragging about riches.
    there was crazy parliament underwater rimes from digital underground.

    if you searched, there were still black artists carrying on the torch and the struggle,
    but rap had already fragmented into so many different slivers there was no defining it.

    that’s how the real white rapper got in.
    through one of these [non-struggle] entrances.

    white rappers should not be compared to krs one or public enemy,
    who both raised black consciousness tremendously.

    white rappers should be compared to the fringe of hip hop.
    and now in 2013 we are in a fringe, reality tv culture.
    everyone wants to find the most random viral events and entertainment.

    and voila.
    whiterap® is here

  10. “rap had already fragmented into so many different slivers there was no defining it.

    that’s how the real white rapper got in”

    true…very, very true…

  11. “white rappers should be compared to the fringe of hip hop.
    and now in 2013 we are in a fringe, reality tv culture.
    everyone wants to find the most random viral events and entertainment.

    and voila.
    whiterap® is here”

    you’re correct. i can’t argue that.

    American culture (up to and including Black people) as a whole shifted.

    but when that shift happened, ‘real’ Hip-Hop was evicted from it’s throne.

    honestly? REAL HIP-HOP WAS AN EFFORT IN VEIN.

    NOW, it only applies to a very small minority of people; people that are ‘unplugged’.

    everyone else that’s plugged in, they call ‘real’ Hip-Hop outdated & irrelevant – and the elders / forefathers of Hip-Hop are either:

    A: washed-up

    B: has-beens

    or

    C: jealous

    i’d agree with you insofar as AMERICAN CULTURE killed Hip-Hop.

    but the catch-22 is

    AMERICAN CULTURE is what created the need for an outlet, thus Hip-Hop was born; so we’ve kinda came full-circle.

  12. how much struggle is there in baby got back?
    how relevant to 1970′s new york black living conditions is tyga?
    how much can we glean about racism is some crappy electronic will.i.am song with britney spears?

    just because the performer is Black doesn’t mean he’s automatically Hip-Hop.

    there’s THOUSANDS of Black artists that are just as far away from Hip-Hop as ‘Whiterap’ is.

    Hip-Hop BUILDS the community.

    Rap DESTROYS the community.

    Whiterap EXPLOITS the community.

    it’s pretty much as simple as that.

    • i just feel like if you are from iceland or poland or some place like that, then you’re WHITE-HOP…which is different from HIP-HOP.

      White people own too much, control too much, and dictate too much (as a whole / as a race) to EVER say they are HIP-HOP.

      HIP-HOP is synonymous with UNDERDOG…which White people collectively are NOT in modern society.

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