again…not a good look for hip-hop, black music, black culture, or black people

WHITE  MUSIC FOR WHITE PEOPLEi don’t care what NOBODY SAYS…i’m calling it for what it is

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Macklemore-s-Thrift-Shop-most-popular-song-in-4219666.php

“Thrift Shop” by Macklemore and Ryan Lewis jumped to the No. 1 position this week, beating Justin Bieber, Justin Timberlake and Taylor Swift. Earlier this month, the single went platinum with more than a million copies sold.

“Thrift Shop” is also the top single on iTunes and is the most successful track off “The Heist,” the first studio album from Macklemore and Lewis that debuted at No. 1 on iTunes when it was released last October.

Videos for “Thrift Shop,” “Same Love,” and “My Oh My,” have received more than 81 million views on YouTube.

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i REFUSE to call that shit “HIP-HOP” when that shit has damn near NOTHING TO DO WITH BLACK PEOPLE.

cats these days just cop your swag and take it to the bank, and nobody says shit.

BLACK PEOPLE, listen closely…WHITE HIP-HOP FANS ARE MAKING PEOPLE MEGA-STARS WITH YOUR MUSIC, YOUR STYLE, YOUR CULTURE, YOUR HERITAGE, YOUR FOUNDATION…

THEY ARE ACHIEVING SUCCESS LEVELS UNATTAINABLE TO YOU WITH YOUR OWN CHILD; HIP-HOP.

i don’t have anything personal against MACKLEMORE (or Eminem) – BUT – i DO take it personal when HIP-HOP gets HI-JACKED, EXPLOITED, and made a MOCKERY of by certain / specific individuals.

SINCERELY,

FyLe ForMatz

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25 thoughts on “again…not a good look for hip-hop, black music, black culture, or black people

  1. “…i REFUSE to call that shit “HIP-HOP” when that shit has damn near NOTHING TO DO WITH BLACK PEOPLE.”

    that’s ridiculous on its face.
    black people don’t buy clothes?
    that would be 100% impossible to assert.
    yet here it is…
    ha ha

    • gentlemen agree to disagree.

      but to only call out one point and not any of the several other points made in this post still leaves the margin of error in my favor.

      i don’t expect White (and arguably non-black; Black father / Black mother) readers to AGREE with what i’m saying – AT ALL – because that would be self-sacrificial, BUT – to not UNDERSTAND? that enters the realm of self-righteous.

      again, my MAIN point is the focal point of my posts; the MORAL of the story.

      • yes, big picture is always the point.

        your earlier definition of co-signers was relevant,
        and that’s one reason that this issue of white rappers sticks so hard.

        one manufactured fear regarding affirmative action was that white bosses would co-sign on minority applicants who were not qualified but everyone would just look the other way.
        just like a hip hop co-signer on a wack artist.

        of course the reality was that the policy was put in place to offset hundreds of years of slavery.
        a concept that anti-affirmative action types refuse to confront, because it shames them too much.

        so here comes haywire saying that the only reason that eminem and macklemore have outshone their peers is because they are white.
        well, that would be true, [if] they had no talent.
        the key is that they are both mega talented and it is obvious they worked hard for years and years to get to where they are.

        since i don’t feel that you are arguing that they have [no] talent, then the only argument left is that “hip hop” is not integrated now, and never will be.
        that is a wrong-side-of-history tenuous position to take, it makes you the bull connor of rap.

        of course it is verifiable that hip hop has already been integrated.
        it is also verifiable that black people buy clothes.

        those are not opinions.

  2. “…i REFUSE to call that shit “HIP-HOP” when that shit has damn near NOTHING TO DO WITH BLACK PEOPLE”

    if it ain’t got NOTHING to do with Black people, then it ain’t HIP-HOP – – – and i’m STICKING to that – because it’s TRUE.

    – – – BLACK PEOPLE and HIP-HOP ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE – – – can’t have one without the other, and that’s on everything i love.

    • “if it ain’t got NOTHING to do with Black people, then it ain’t HIP-HOP…”

      “…wrong-side-of-history…”

  3. “i don’t feel that you are arguing that they have [no] talent”

    CORRECT.

    they BOTH HAVE TALENT…HANDS DOWN – BUT – if a Black artist and a White artist have COMPARABLE skill, the White artist will receive INCOMPARABLE results, opportunities, and praise.

    FOR EXAMPLE

    MACKLEMORE ISN’T THE BEST RAPPER IN SEATTLE – YET – HE (BY FAR; – light-years to be exact – ) OUTSHINES ANY, EVERY, and ALL BLACK RAPPERS IN THE CITY OF SEATTLE, THE STATE OF WASHINGTON, and arguably THE ENTIRE WEST-COAST…(with the exception of Black celebrities which his name shouldn’t even be mentioned along side with) – – – BASED ON THE FACT THAT MACKLEMORE DOESN’T MAKE MUSIC FOR (or that RELATES to) the masses of Black people and / or Black Hip-Hop / Rap fans.

  4. “MACKLEMORE ISN’T THE BEST RAPPER IN SEATTLE…”

    you realize this is like saying blue isn’t the best color in the spectrum.

    this guy likes yellow.
    that chick likes pink
    that guy likes green.

    c’mon son

  5. “he’s not reppin guns.
    he’s not reppin drugs.
    he’s not reppin sex.

    sounds like he is [tailor made] for haywire…”

    some might cling to their stereotypes and want that trash like guns drugs and sex in their music.
    but, a hip hop track that is fully positive and relevant just doesn’t belong in hip hop?

    if you think that [black] hip hop’s morals are fucked, and that the [black] mainstream hip hop scene is dead, because of a whole list of reasons that have been explained on this blog, and then a song comes along that is opposite to all the garbage, and it actually has a good message, underlying, that will create more thought as opposed to creating more demand for diamond pendants the size of jabba the hutt, and what happens.

    it’s rejected by the same blog that begged for it.

    here is a question.
    real talk.

    if everything about the song was the same except a black rapper voiced the track, exact same lyrics, would it meet the minimum threshold for hip hop?

    • “if everything about the song was the same except a black rapper voiced the track, exact same lyrics, would it meet the minimum threshold for hip hop?”

      NO.

      it wouldn’t.

      because the Black rapper penning a Macklemore song is STILL penning it with the INTENT of benefiting from a primarily White audience.

      i’ll make this point –

      YOU CAN’T CALL WHAT YOU’RE DOING “HIP-HOP” IF YOU’RE INTENT IS TO RESONATE WITH A PRIMARILY WHITE AUDIENCE.

      that all-caps point ALSO applies to Black rappers and / or artists

  6. “if everything about the song was the same except a black rapper voiced the track, exact same lyrics, would it meet the minimum threshold for hip hop?”

    i’ll even reverse your example a tad.

    if Macklemore was to write a song about “diamond pendants the size of jabba the hutt”, the song would STILL do damn near the same numbers (if not even more) as his other songs are doing – even IF he rapped about ‘black topics of interest’.

    in other words – even if he pens the same (ignorant) Black lyrics as the average (ignorant) Black rapper, he’ll STILL get ABOVE AVERAGE results, doing the EXACT SAME THING that an actual Black person is doing…so it’s lose-lose.

    one “lose” being that his music doesn’t resonate with Black people as a whole, THEREFORE it’s not HIP-HOP

    the other “lose” being that even if he wrote a song that DID resonate with Black people as a whole, it would STILL do WAY BETTER NUMBERS than a Black person that wrote damn near the EXACT SAME SONG.

    and yes, RACE is INTRINSICALLY intertwined in one “lose” and the other; and that’s why White Hip-Hop / Rap should be separated from Black Hip-Hop / Rap.

      • IRONICALLY and SADLY ‘black topics of interest’ ARE the ‘same ten things’; so no switch…IGNORANCE and ‘Black topics of interest’ are synonymous.

  7. kenny g might be the world’s best selling horn player ever,
    i’m not even going to look up the numbers,
    but do you think that is an insult to all the real black horn players out there over the past 50 to 75 years?
    hell no.

    first of all, real artists are doing what they do irrespective of other artists’ work.
    second, kenny g is making lite meaningless music.
    there is no jealosy and no foul.
    can kenny g ruin real jazz?
    i don’t even know if there’s still a real jazz scene in the usa, but it doesn’t matter.

    the other element is this.
    some people, will smith or jay z rose rapidly but lost interest in rap and went on to hollywood and business enterprise, taking themselves out of the game. they grew up so to speak. if you want schadenfreude regarding eminem then just look at him as the king of the anthill of [hip hop] which is becoming a parody of itself anyway. to call eminem the best rapper of all the current crop insults no-one.

    pretty sure will smith doesn’t regret his decision to leave the little rap game.
    blockbuster after blockbuster.
    yep.
    jay z now looks at rap as the spaceship that brought him to planet business,
    i don’t think he has any need to get number one away from eminem.

    so the number one spot in no way reflects who is leading the artistic charge or wielding the cultural authority.
    nobody is saying that macklemore is the best rapper.
    even he has said that time and time again.
    get it.

    hip hop is morphing.
    and the new incarnation will be integrated.
    it’s like augusta national golf club.

    they said golf is a white man’s game.
    no-one else.

    why? because it’s more pure that way.
    they had a policy requiring caddies to be black, but didn’t admit a black member into the club until 1990.
    nineteen motherfucking ninety.
    and life went on, golf didn’t die.
    then they admitted the first female member in…wait for it…2012.

    so did golf die because black and female golfers were allowed to join the club?

    • “but do you think that is an insult to all the real black horn players out there over the past 50 to 75 years?
      hell no.”

      YES.

      i DO.

      “hip hop is morphing.
      and the new incarnation will be integrated.”

      AND THAT’S WHERE IT DIED.

      i mean, HIp-Hop was dead WAY BEFORE IT WAS ‘INFILTRATED’ by White artists that just use Hip-Hop as a gimmick – but to use it as a gimmick and MAKE HISTORY / SELL MORE RECORDS THAN / SECURE MORE INTEREST THAN the same Black people that INVENTED THE ART IN THE FIRST PLACE is OBSCENE.

      when White artists take a Black art (arguably Black CULTURE – because Hip-Hop is [was] a culture – ) and are more SUCCESSFUL with it than Blacks themselves, THAT AIN’T RIGHT – AND it’s a bad look for the ART / CULTURE as a whole.

      when somebody is HALF AS GOOD as you but takes YOUR SHIT TWICE AS FAR – your art (across racial boundaries) loses STEAM – it loses INTEGRITY – it loses ESSENCE – it loses SOUL.

      EMINEM or MACKLEMORE WILL NOT INSPIRE THE NEXT GREAT BLACK HIP-HOP ARTIST – PERIOD – therefore each major SUCCESS that Macklemore or Eminem achieves equates to a LOSS for Black art / culture / (HIP-HOP) as a whole.

      this isn’t one of those things where WHITE SUCCESS is BENEFITING BLACK PEOPLE…White success in Hip-Hop is doing more DAMAGE to Black people / culture (Hip-Hop) than GOOD…

      for each milestone that a White rapper achieves, Hip-Hop loses that much more of it’s essence, it’s SOUL.

      and like i said, you have White guys getting RICH and making HISTORY in an art-form WITHOUT the fundamental factor – SOUL…and the reason why their music doesn’t apply to OR appeal to Black people is because it doesn’t have SOUL – therefore it ain’t made for US – – – which equates to ‘bad look’.

  8. “so did golf die because black and female golfers were allowed to join the club?”

    sports and culture are two different things – we can’t say they are similar enough to be compared in THIS context.

    $.02

  9. “first of all, real artists are doing what they do irrespective of other artists’ work.”

    maybe.

    but when somebody EXPLOITS your work and takes it to the moon (SALE-WISE), that does bother people, man. take my shit and make more money with it than me – EVEN THOUGH I MADE IT UP IN THE FIRST PLACE – and i’m supposed to just be cool with that and turn the other cheek? FUKC THAT. that’s THEFT and MOCKERY; COMBINED.

    “second, kenny g is making lite meaningless music.”

    AGAIN, if you’re making SOUL-LESS MUSIC and making more than me and my SOUL-FULL MUSIC, that’s BULLSHIT; and basically racist.

    “can kenny g ruin real jazz?”

    sure. by basically showing the world that YOU DON’T NEED TO HAVE “SOUL” IN BLACK-MUSIC TO MAKE BIG MONEY.

    “then just look at him as the king of the anthill of [hip hop] which is becoming a parody of itself anyway.”

    that’s basically akin to accepting the fact that Eminem gets to leave the game (and this planet) on TOP of any and every Black rapper that ever existed…sale-wise, he ‘conqurerd’ Hip-Hop; when in reality, he directly / indirectly facilitated the DEATH of Hip-Hop…if you ask me, certain White rappers (UP TO AND INCLUDING MACKLEMORE) have Hip-Hop’s blood on their hands – REAL TALK.

    “to call eminem the best rapper of all the current crop insults no-one.”

    that’s not THE POINT though. the POINT is that Eminem ON PAPER is the CLIMAX of Hip-Hop…which is a LIE, a FARCE, and a DISRESPECT.

    “the number one spot in no way reflects who is leading the artistic charge or wielding the cultural authority.”

    it just lets everybody know that you can take Black people’s shit and bop ’em over the head with it and keep it moving; THAT is what it “REFLECTS”.

  10. the basic premise of the separate white rap argument makes sense.
    but only if the point is to steer into a dead end.
    some drivers turn into a dead end street thinking that it was a through passage.

    remember this?

    “if today’s Hip-Hop is a MICROCOSM of Black people as a whole, then WE’RE FUKCED.”
    (a hypothetical that i don’t believe is the case, by the way)

    well,
    if ‘same ten things’ equals ‘black topics of interest’ then there is definitely a diamond yellow sign with a black border ahead.

    this discussion is getting convoluted.

    if white rap is a different category, separate but equal, and macklemore is not competing apple for apple, then you have an answer to your important questions.

    “but you gotta think about it…WHERE are people getting these VALUES from???

    WHO is propagating those values and WHY?

    WHERE is the blindness STEMMING FROM and why is the blindness on the INCREASE???”

    it sounds like you are arguing that people are getting these values because they are black topics of interest
    (no quotes this time)

    is that the case?
    are the listeners yearning for ignorant music?

    • “it’s actually kinda complex; what happened to Hip-Hop. White rappers that are half as raw as Black rappers are actually going HARDER than Black rappers – White fans being more dedicated, open-minded, and supportive of White rappers than the Black FAN / RAPPER relationship.”

    • (a hypothetical that i don’t believe is the case, by the way)”

      it’s true.

      modern (mainstream) Hip-Hop reflects WAY MORE negative IMAGES, STEREOTYPES, and LIFESTYLES of Black people than positive.

  11. “it sounds like you are arguing that people are getting these values because they are black topics of interest”

    i’m saying that we are being GIVEN these values; accepting them, and glorifying them to our utmost abilities (even though it’s to our detriment)

    i’m saying that we are being given “Hip-Hop” just like the way we were given crack-cocaine a few decades ago – – – and to tell you the truth, the MUSIC is doing more damage to the Black community than the crack cocaine has, was, and ever will do.

  12. “are the listeners yearning for ignorant music?”

    YES.

    they are totally yearning for ignorant music.

    BUT

    that’s what’s getting the PUSH (ignorance) – that’s what’s getting the MARKETING, the ADVERTISING (ignorance), the PROMOTION (and more ignorance) …it’s STARTING from point A (corporate) and ending at point B (black community) – – – then you have the MONKEY-SEE / MONKEY-DO Blacks that are – – – i’m getting off topic.

  13. “White rappers that are half as raw as Black rappers are actually going HARDER than Black rappers – White fans being more dedicated, open-minded, and supportive of White rappers than the Black FAN / RAPPER relationship.”

    yeah; White rappers are going harder as far as NUMBERS…White fans are going harder; as far as NUMBERS.

    according to the NUMBERS, White people (fans and rappers [to say the least]) have Hip-Hop on LOCK.

  14. …which leads me back to my original point…since the books are being cooked (numerically), SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE…before the ORIGINAL intent and SOUL of Hip-Hop is TRANSFORMED into an OUTDATED JOKE.

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